Here's what happens when guests are not the usual parrots for the US military or government:
On the Afghanistan election:
RAZ: "Jean, we're hearing from some officials in Afghanistan, western officials, that this election has gone off better than expected, not much violence, high voter turnout, a free and fair process. Is that what you've been saying?"On the CIA report:
Ms. MACKENZIE: (laughs out loud) "That sounds very far from the perception of people who have been intimately involved in the process, I would say. I think the threshold of success for this election has been getting lower and lower."
RAZ: "I mean, our country, Robert Baer, like other countries, sometimes has to do dirty things, right?"It is really telling when a former CIA agent has to remind a journalist about Nuremberg and the rule of law (maybe there is hope after all) - and the outright laughter from Jean Mackenzie was one of the most honest moments I've heard on NPR all year.
Mr. BAER: "No. You know, this goes back to Nuremberg - the Nuremberg defense...."